Talk:Zhen

In Ascalonian reference to "dynasty" and "family" in the imperial context

also some things of note, when referring to a dynasty as a family, you use 朝 (chao), but when referring to a dynasty as a time era, you use 代 (dai). so the Tian dynasty family would be the 天朝, or tian chao, while the era of the tian dynasty would be the 天代 or tian dai. --Pikabo (noted from Goy) 10:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Origins of the Sima Jin clan

Hmm. Mind if this Zhen family originated from the south? (I understand it is in the northern coastal region) The name doesn't sound particularly Caoyan (Mongolian). Perhaps they were disgruntled by the order of things in Ascalon. Maybe owing to unreturned favors for the new rulers. --Pikabo (talk) 10:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Syrixian rule of Zhen

So it was around the same time Goyanes took over Ascalon. The Zhen, a prominent aristocratic family in the fertile northern coastal regions, united the area through rapid Bismarckian politics and by treaty due to wariness over the Goyanean takeover in the south and declared the Zhen Empire. The Syrixians pressed themselves on the Zhen to counteract Goyanean influence in the region, creating an alliance that would morph into a tributary/client state relationship. The Syrixians helped the Zhen subjugate the Caoyan peoples in the northwestern steppes and set up the southeastern islands under the Empire's direct rule, as a trading post. The southeastern islands rapidly grew in importance due to this, and thus, following the 2nd NI War, Goyanes seized the islands. Due to this, the Zhen, whilst formally retaining their tributary/client relationship with Syrixia, de facto began to fall away from said relationship, gaining de facto independence after the State Reform Acts of 1870-71 and de jure independence at the eve of the Fascist Wars, which the Zhen did not wish to fight in. Since the end of the war, iirc, Zhen-Syrixian relations were becoming more active again, until Prince Meng took over, after which Pataliputra sided with Princess Shi and her State of Zhenmen. --Pikabo (noted from Syr) 10:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Norsia canon of Zhen

History of Zhen after Dazhou fell

so after Dazhou fell the combined history kinda ends until the 2nd NI war, where Goyanes seized the islands off the coast of Zhen in 1825, but they were returned when Zhen gained independence--Pikabo (noted from Goy) 10:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

History of Zhen under Dazhou

ah so like before Nors gave up Zhen, Zhen was part of the Dazhou empire until it's collapse. at which point it was colonized by Syrixia(?) idk if that's still a thing--Pikabo (talk) 10:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)